Friday, June 17, 2005

Who Said This?

"...one recent menu for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo consisted of orange-glazed chicken, fresh fruit crepe, steamed peas and mushrooms, and rice pilaf. Sounds like the sort of thing you'd get at Windows on the World – if it still existed."

(answer in comments)

7 Comments:

Blogger Tom Carter said...

Ann Coulter said it in a column written on June 15, 2005.

For my leftist friends who may be having heart palpitations after learning that they've inadvertently read something written by Ann Coulter, you can go quickly to The New York Times and read the latest Paul Krugman column. That should get your psychic electrolytes back in balance.

For any who may not know, Windows on the World was a fabulous restaurant on the 107th floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center. I went there just once, during one of my few trips to New York City.

I remain a great deal more concerned about the employees and patrons of Windows on the World and all the other victims who died on 911 than I am about any discomfort being suffered by detainees at Guantanamo.

3:27 AM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Francesca said...

Well, she's not the only one to be holding up the menu at Gitmo as proof that the detainees there are being well taken care of. Personally, I'm glad to hear that they're eating well, but people like Coulter need to address the numerous allegations of torture and mistreatment that are being made.

9:54 AM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger carla said...

As long as detainees are getting three squares a day...who the hell cares if they're humiliated and tortured, eh?

America: Not as bad as Pol Pot.

Who'd have thought this would become our standard?

I remember reading about World War II..and how German soldiers would surrender to US forces (rather than those from other countries) knowing that the US would treat them well. When I read this I had such a feeling of pride. We really were the good guys.

Now I read these excuses for torture and lack of legal recourse for these detainees...and I wonder when the worm turned.

12:31 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Amal said...

Even a Leftist like me enjoys Coulter's razor sharp talons eviscerating the left when we deserve it. This would be one of those times....

8:40 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Kevin said...

Tom,

I like you feel a little more for the victims of 9/11 than a bunch of terrorist scum.

For everyone else who seems they know what torture is, I've seen the results of torture and I've seen the uglier side of the world.

Gitmo is a country club compared to those places. I agree that there is no reason to still be holding them, but then again I'm not there. They can have very little operational knowledge after so long a time.

We need to put them on trial, by our overly fair standards (right Mike) and then put them away for their crimes against humanity.

I'm afraid that the liberals here would not like the real answer in either case.

Kev

10:22 PM, June 17, 2005  
Blogger Tom Carter said...

Francesca and Carla, I think your understanding of torture creates a very low threshhold. The people in detention at Guantanamo and in other locations aren't even POWs, in the legal sense. They're a status below that, legally. And from what I've heard, the things that have been done to them are hardly torture by any meaningful definition. And you're worried that they're being humiliated, too? I wouldn't wish on anyone the experience necessary to understand what torture and war in general are really like. But we should all make the intellectual effort to know what we don't know.

At the end of World War II, Germans and others tried to surrender to Allied forces (not just American) because they knew the true horror of the treatment they would receive in Russian hands. Comparatively speaking, it was a better deal. But it's wrong to think Allied forces always treated POWs with kid gloves, especially in overseas theaters.

You might want to read another post, Does Torture Work?, if you're interested in the subject.

10:36 AM, June 18, 2005  
Blogger Esther said...

I remember reading about World War II..and how German soldiers would surrender to US forces (rather than those from other countries) knowing that the US would treat them well. When I read this I had such a feeling of pride. We really were the good guys.

You get a good feeling and pride from knowing that Nazis knew that the US would be easy on them?!? I reserve feeling good for knowing that our army is keeping us safe from scum like Nazis and today's terrorists.

4:57 PM, June 18, 2005  

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